City HArvest Church also MLM ?
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wait wait....ur first point i agree..no third party check we wouldnt noe...Originally posted by weidev:whether it really goes to the church nobody noes... juz like money earned in a company hw many % goes to the boss onli the boss noes...
eg. company earns 10k boss say net profit is 1k but in reality is 9k... tax and everything done by the boss so worker lan lan cannot say anything also...
but in sole proprietorship, the boss has the right and in fact, its natural, that he keep 100% of profits...
of cuz he stil must pay workers lah, under the labour laws.... -
yah, one deals with spirtuality and one deals with money, but we are discussing along the line they have same structure...they are not totally dissimilar....Originally posted by devoid05:rite...
but why reconcile mlm with chc when they are altogether two different matters?
mlm is purely secular while chc associates itself with religion. -
Both mlm and city harvest church has a similar property: Faith in the existing structure.
But whether is it true devotion or blind faith is up to individual interpretation
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i'm afraid you've got me all wrong.Originally posted by laurence82:yah, one deals with spirtuality and one deals with money, but we are discussing along the line they have same structure...they are not totally dissimilar....
i was responding to cindyfeh's post. it was insensitive on her part to suggest that a church ought to be run in such a casual fashion. tt's an insult to the faith. -
so in this way of CHC... pastor kong has the right to keep all the profits since he is the founder as well as the head of the church... isn't that true?Originally posted by laurence82:wait wait....ur first point i agree..no third party check we wouldnt noe...
but in sole proprietorship, the boss has the right and in fact, its natural, that he keep 100% of profits...
of cuz he stil must pay workers lah, under the labour laws.... -
Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Both mlm and city harvest church has a similar property: Faith in the existing structure.
But whether is it true devotion or blind faith is up to individual interpretation -
yeap, i re read her post, gotta agree wib u....Originally posted by devoid05:i'm afraid you've got me all wrong.
i was responding to cindyfeh's post. it was insensitive on her part to suggest that a church ought to be run in such a casual fashion. tt's an insult to the faith. -
church leh, not biz.....ethically, he shouldnt do that..Originally posted by weidev:so in this way of CHC... pastor kong has the right to keep all the profits since he is the founder as well as the head of the church... isn't that true?
well, its up to his church members..if he can bamboozle them to think he has the right to keep all the money, oh well...too bad for us... -
x2Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Both mlm and city harvest church has a similar property: Faith in the existing structure.
But whether is it true devotion or blind faith is up to individual interpretation -
from a secular standpoint, it is permissible for him to entreat himself to the tithes n offerings the church collects every week. however, it is definitely not beneficial for him to do so, as he would be abusing his minted status as the leading founder of the church.Originally posted by weidev:so in this way of CHC... pastor kong has the right to keep all the profits since he is the founder as well as the head of the church... isn't that true? -
wadever. the things that they do, its absolutely none of our business. we haf no right to judge em.Originally posted by harder boy:so CHC is SLM ? so its some kind of LM after all... But i tot chirstian pray to only one god, coz its a monothestic religion.... dunno how to spell....
how could they have personality worship of the pastor kang and the sun ho ?
CHC really stray off from what jesus chirst intends to teach mankind... -
correction. its human to pass judgment, therefore, we have right to pass judgement..just that we dont have right to take actions against them....Originally posted by devoid05:wadever. the things that they do, its absolutely none of our business. we haf no right to judge em. -
so wat i say could happen... but ppl does nt want to believe that it could happen...Originally posted by laurence82:church leh, not biz.....ethically, he shouldnt do that..
well, its up to his church members..if he can bamboozle them to think he has the right to keep all the money, oh well...too bad for us...
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he is a pastor... look at the pastor from the catholic church?Originally posted by devoid05:from a secular standpoint, it is permissible for him to entreat himself to the tithes n offerings the church collects every week. however, it is definitely not beneficial for him to do so, as he would be abusing his minted status as the leading founder of the church.
i am nt saying something tat is impossible... but the way they are living their life right nw and their ability to show it to the public onli makes ppl question his financial statement right? -
i didn't say its impossible wadOriginally posted by weidev:he is a pastor... look at the pastor from the catholic church?
i am nt saying something tat is impossible... but the way they are living their life right nw and their ability to show it to the public onli makes ppl question his financial statement right?
i said its permissible, bt not beneficial.
yar... can't blame e public. -
it can happen anytime. but such things will be exposed sooner or later.Originally posted by weidev:so wat i say could happen... but ppl does nt want to believe that it could happen...
the catholic priest is not e only one in sg who had misappropriated church funds... they were others along with him. they were all exposed. -
to catholic priests living a life of luxury seems to be out of the question... nt because they dun wan to... but they r forbidded to...Originally posted by devoid05:i didn't say its impossible wad
i said its permissible, bt not beneficial.
yar... can't blame e public.
to christian pastors living a life of luxury seems to be the norm...
so shd people who spread the word of God live in a life of luxury? -
not really... the running of a christian church and the running of a christian church is different... All the catholic churches in Singapore are under someone... Just like all the catholic churches in the World is under the Pope...Originally posted by devoid05:it can happen anytime. but such things will be exposed sooner or later.
the catholic priest is not e only one in sg who had misappropriated church funds... they were others along with him. they were all exposed.
Christian church however is setup by SOMEONE and the running of the church is den up to tat SOMEONE... that particular SOMEONE sorta becomes the 'Pope' of the church... so whatever the church do, the church onli has to answer to that SOMEONE. -
hmm... i beg to differ. i've known christian pastors who were exposed cos they mishandled church funds... just that their cases were nort subjected to the scrutiny of the media.Originally posted by weidev:not really... the running of a christian church and the running of a christian church is different... All the catholic churches in Singapore are under someone... Just like all the catholic churches in the World is under the Pope...
Christian church however is setup by SOMEONE and the running of the church is den up to tat SOMEONE... that particular SOMEONE sorta becomes the 'Pope' of the church... so whatever the church do, the church onli has to answer to that SOMEONE.
take for example the anglican denomination. yes, the pastor is entitled to the funds cos he is like e pope of the church. but every five years, the pastor has to switch to another anglican church to prevent such abuse of office. pastors minister to churches on a rotational basis. as for city-harvest, the financial statements are shown to the cell group leaders during the AGM -
hmm... okay new to me... so wat u mean is priests are rotated among all the catholic churches in Singapore every few years?Originally posted by devoid05:hmm... i beg to differ. i've known christian pastors who were exposed cos they mishandled church funds... just that their cases were nort subjected to the scrutiny of the media.
take for example the anglican denomination. yes, the pastor is entitled to the funds cos he is like e pope of the church. but every five years, the pastor has to switch to another anglican church to prevent such abuse of office. pastors minister to churches on a rotational basis. as for city-harvest, the financial statements are shown to the cell group leaders during the AGM
as for the financial statement thingy... like wat i quoted in the previous post earlier... an example:
'Company A made 100k but Boss tell Worker onli made 50k. in this case the worker cannot doubt the boss since the worker dun do the accounts n everything. the other 50k is den pocketed by Boss' -
no! not catholic... anglican churches. its protestant.Originally posted by weidev:hmm... okay new to me... so wat u mean is priests are rotated among all the catholic churches in Singapore every few years?
as for the financial statement thingy... like wat i quoted in the previous post earlier... an example:
'Company A made 100k but Boss tell Worker onli made 50k. in this case the worker cannot doubt the boss since the worker dun do the accounts n everything. the other 50k is den pocketed by Boss'
even if the pst cheats, we can't really do anything for lack of solid evidence. -
put it this way, pastor kong is a founder of a church not affliated and not controlled by anyone else..Originally posted by weidev:so wat i say could happen... but ppl does nt want to believe that it could happen...
even if he openly declare he shld be entitled to any donations, and is doing just that, and he charm the members to the extent they dont have any violent objection to this..
we also lan lan stand one side, bo pian.... -
erm... but my comparisons are based on catholic and christians cos my life is like revolve ard these two onli...Originally posted by devoid05:no! not catholic... anglican churches. its protestant.
even if the pst cheats, we can't really do anything for lack of solid evidence.
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true also... lppl...Originally posted by laurence82:put it this way, pastor kong is a founder of a church not affliated and not controlled by anyone else..
even if he openly declare he shld be entitled to any donations, and is doing just that, and he charm the members to the extent they dont have any violent objection to this..
we also lan lan stand one side, bo pian.... -
very true. but amazing he can charm about 10,000 members into giving up their hard earned money to enable him to live in condo and drive sedans, and not one of these 10,000 minds complains or protests...Originally posted by laurence82:put it this way, pastor kong is a founder of a church not affliated and not controlled by anyone else..
even if he openly declare he shld be entitled to any donations, and is doing just that, and he charm the members to the extent they dont have any violent objection to this..
we also lan lan stand one side, bo pian....
in one way, this pastor kong indeed is admirable...