NTIparis = fraud+scam, run as far as you can when heard
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Thanks for talking about the ethics.
For those agents, whenever their downlines earns and they don't earn, infront of their downlines, they will feign happy and behind their downline back, they will curse and swear and hold a grude. How hyprocrite can they get? And, they will present badly in case new prospect is brought from their downline. How childish they be? Some young gina talking about business, ha!
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hMz...all i can say is that the upper managements or uplines, you so called, are good at acting n psycho ppl...if they can't make you to believe their words, it won't be still there...these ppl are professional in confusing n brainwashing...though not 100% effective...Originally posted by -Wilson-:
hmm
to mi i find it workerable... if it is cheater... it will definately close down ...
come on lah.... if it is u that cannot earn it does not mean other cannot... tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
hope no offend to u all... i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
it really depend on urself.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,,
Cases of my frens in there found it not fantastic as what it was all abt in the beginning...he was the pioneer batch (Been with it for abt 3yrs or so)...
He has not even been making $$$....
For your info, if one of them(Upline) has ever show you his payslip, ranging from 3K~10K/mth....well..it's not true...those payslips are actually the salaries of the upper management...those are used to lure ppl into it...
You may not believe in what i've said..but it's true...
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Hi Anti-Networkers,
I have read through the topics and stories you have told. Actually... you cant say it's a CHEAT or SCAM... WHY?
If you say what NTI is doing is a SCAM then I tell you.. all the insurance ageny companies in singapore also a SCAM?
Do you recall years back when Insurance started. Many people also say what SCAM and stuff...
Infact Insurance or Real Estate also... do earn from people's money? if you are saying earning money from others is wrong.. then what about Insurance?
They earn.. actually.. 50% what you pay as a premium every month leh... worst then MLM rite?
then if.. you break the policy you dont even get back money sometimes... from insurance...
But I am not saying insurance is bad... but... just trying to show you the relations towards MLM.
People do fail in MLM... and I do agree... not because the company is bad or.. the product is not good... is the person who introduce to you the company?
Why do I say that is because, they did not bother to explain what NTI has to offer clearly and simply just briefly tell them.. how to join how to earn and stuff..
BUT I ask you all... since you all are so commited to REALLY close down NTI... why dont you see other companies like AMWAY and 4LIFE? all of them are also MLM...
Just differents is... the way the people do the selling and recruiting....
if... so.. MLM is so illegal why isnt it banned? do you know.. there are generated sales of up to $4.4 billion dolloar just by MLM?
So... that's my point of view.... even thought I am a Networker myself.. I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT MY FRIEND... cos to me.. friendship is still more important then the business...
You can ask any of my downlines.. and they all agree...
It all comes down to one thing...
the person who introduce u didnt explain clearly... what MLM is all about...
and... he was a selfish.. upline manager to only... think of himself to earn....
to be frank.. i also dont like NTI culture.... and the way they operate... but.. I can see.. it helped me.. and my friends to be a better business person... why not?
The REASON why.. they make appt.. tell you not to SAY MLM.. is because of you people.. who didnt put in effect in the business and didnt earn and spread the word MLM cannot EARN..
Actually is not cannot earn.. is either you lazy to work for it... or want to earn a quick buck..
Just ask you self.... r u really cheated? or was it a scam...
read through about the insurance part again and think twice before you comment about MLM....
I hope.. this reply will help answer some question that all the ANTI MLM people have...
For those reading the forum...... if you dont believe... what your friends say to you.. then what more do you need to believe what people say in the FORUM? wahah..
they may be people from other MLM companies.. who just want to make the company bad? that is also possible..
I am just saying my 2 cents and not pin pointing anyone...
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Go to the original thread, and read the exact points why people think its a scam, as compared to other coys.
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i pro Network Marketing but ANTI - NTI. OPS! hahaha
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recently i heard james phang wanted to buy over venture era from nti ppl....... anyone heard of this.... for me, i think is a very stupid thing to say.
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Hi guys if u allowed me to just share my thinking, the reason why u all think NTI is so bad is because u either loss money in it or ur fren does. So let me ask u if u earn money will u say all this? anyway even in a same company there will be diff group of people in it, and diff group got diff style of doing the biz, not everyone is doing wat u all mention.(pls view the past posts to know). i am not speaking bad of u all, but wan to ask u all a fair question how long have u or ur fren do the biz? 1 yr or 2 yr? if its just few months i think u all should not say all those unfair words, that means u all dun understand the industry and NTi at all. Well i cant deny that james phang have a really not good backgroud from NOP, pls its a past, dun keep bring up the past, do u wan someone to keep bringing up ur past if u did something wrong that time? pls flame me if u all want, it will just show that u all are just in mature, so i wun mind. try to think in a netural side. Seriously look more in details to both side before u give any conclusion. dun assume u know everything just because u know their way of doing biz and courses. Anyway i wun post anything here again, so dun bother to reply anything. just look and think.
lastly i am not a agent from NTI anymore, dun ask me why quit its personal problem... so i am just giving as a neutral party.. -
When I was reading this thread.. City Harvest Church crossed my mind.
Still remember how hard the community/public called it as some evil cult?(maybe you're one of them?) Those that went and got frightened by their way of christianity?
But then look at CHC now.. Do they collapsed because of rumors? Their population still grows like nobody business right? Why is that so? Its simply that the believers believe in the church and new comers believe it as well.
Like what supporters that support NTIparis, they trust the company that's why they are working towards what they believe in.
NTI is more like a job challenging yourself. Really.. If you don't dare to dream, why join in the 1st place? If you knew you'll give up someday, why bother joining and then after quitting, complain of how much time/money you wasted?
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I disagree.
A church will always gather a following as long as there are people willing to go there everyday. It involves faith, whatever kind of it, and not on expectations of tangible rewards. Anyway, I think that the majority of people who keeps going there just want to have some fun and be happy(a self-deception sort) and nothing else. I do think CHC is cultish and make many shallow, if not misleading, claims to their members. Intellectual suicide? Yes. But evil? I think not.
However, for MLM companies, the fundamental reason why people join is that they wanna earn some income. However, for scam companies, money as a whole flows out of the pockets of the people involved rather than flowing in. The only thing that keeps it going is due to recruitment(and cheating their $$$) and MORE recruitment of new members. It's like a house of cards, something unsustainable, waiting to fall one day. Sooner or later, so many people who feel cheated will leave and incite others to stay away, such that no one will join anymore. Without any decent products to sell, the income stream of the uplines is effectively dried up, ultimately resulting them to lose money also and hence the system fails. It's not a matter of whether NTI will fall, but when.
This is shown again and again in pyramid schemes, and scam MLMs.
In short, people who are brainwashed do not necessarily know it themselves - they could probably be even happier by the fact that they are being brainwashed - but people sure knows it and hates it when they are losing money!
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Why no one talks about turnover rate? Or the number of people that came pleading some of our forumers for help on getting refunds? Or that loyalty and supports does not equate to credibility?
nti's main strength in staying alive is because of its ability to draw in new groups of gullible young teens. Consider the rate of number of teens entering JCs and polys, NS and ORD personnels. Like I said, with regards to nti previous plan, it draws on recruitment rather than continual or repeated sales. Once the previous batch of people gather what they are in for, they left. But there are fresh groups of young teens that can be drawn into the company.
As for the comparison between CHC and MLM companies, the only similarity i can note of is the charismatic approach taken by both groups. Otherwise, its unfair to compare spirituality and business.
As to whether CHC is a scam, a religious cult or whatever, best comtemplate this issue in another forum, the Eternal Hope. -
Originally posted by -Roy-:When I was reading this thread.. City Harvest Church crossed my mind.
Still remember how hard the community/public called it as some evil cult?(maybe you're one of them?) Those that went and got frightened by their way of christianity?
But then look at CHC now.. Do they collapsed because of rumors? Their population still grows like nobody business right? Why is that so? Its simply that the believers believe in the church and new comers believe it as well.
Like what supporters that support NTIparis, they trust the company that's why they are working towards what they believe in.
NTI is more like a job challenging yourself. Really.. If you don't dare to dream, why join in the 1st place? If you knew you'll give up someday, why bother joining and then after quitting, complain of how much time/money you wasted?
I'm neutral, this post is just what I thought when I read upon this thread.
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ha ha ha
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mlm SHOULD NOT just emphasize on recuitment of new distributors , they should emphasize on their product more and not mislead them thinking that MLM is a quick way become the next RICHie
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Heard from my friend that nti just finished a leadership training cse? begging on the street? anyone have heard anything abt this?
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is it???
i dont think we are born to this world to beg on the street. its a disgrace to our parents and to the society!
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I spent 30 mins...to type out 20 reasons why u shldnt join nti....
but WTF....the stupid forum see i type too long auto log out....them all i type is lost....
i will type again tmr...dam...
people dun join ...if you read my 20 reasons tmr, and you still join...wellz...you have been warned... -
yah, recently sgforums got technical errors, mabbe u would like to do 5 reasons at a time first?
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as wat u say.... no one force mi to open any account in this company.. if it can work mean can work...Originally posted by AvengingAngel:-Wilson-
This is to f u c king warn ignorant s h i t s like you.
If really can earn why only that Jacky afford a car only? I did say cannot earn, and even can earn like what you say, is definately lesser than normal working enviroment.
In human's eyes no one treat it as a job before, moreover many s h i t s over there said it is a business not a job. But today, sorry, job we NEED NOT pay any amount of sum to the coy and for business or investing, we pay, but will have returns unlike there.
Think about it yourself... Did your upline keep pestering you to open new accounts? Because NTIparis totally lost their trust and waving white flags already. Those tops just want to eat finish all ignorant b a s t a r d s money before NTIparis collasped.
***NTIparis cheat fools and theselves, they not only harm those fools like you, they are also harming themselves***
i jus wan to say net working is a workable thing.. nor matter wat company.. it just depend on wat u see..
anyway.. thanks for ur coment... i learn from it..
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thanks dcx.... i am already sure about it .. cause the money is in my pocket...Originally posted by dcx:hMz...all i can say is that the upper managements or uplines, you so called, are good at acting n psycho ppl...if they can't make you to believe their words, it won't be still there...these ppl are professional in confusing n brainwashing...though not 100% effective...
Cases of my frens in there found it not fantastic as what it was all abt in the beginning...he was the pioneer batch (Been with it for abt 3yrs or so)...
He has not even been making $$$....
For your info, if one of them(Upline) has ever show you his payslip, ranging from 3K~10K/mth....well..it's not true...those payslips are actually the salaries of the upper management...those are used to lure ppl into it...
You may not believe in what i've said..but it's true...
i earn it... -
haaa haaa
cool on the surface... burning hell inside! hahahaha -
Hi all, i wish i have stumbled upon this website be4 going down to NTIparis...
recently a friend of mine invited me down saying she got a "business proposal" so i just agreed to it since i was quite free on tht day.
After abt 5 hrs, it was 11+at night , i was tired and hungry (missed my dinner), and the "manager" was still trying to convince me. i tried telling them tht i will go home and consider, but they keep on trying to convince them. After awhile, blinded by the promise of "big money" and "business opportunity" i finally agreed and signed up as a "silver merchant" which requires me to pay $1600++
the next morning, i regretted my decision and tried called the manager, and we agreed to meet on later date to discuss abt my refund
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Normally when my friends from such company tell me they earn big bucks...Originally posted by -Wilson-:thanks dcx.... i am already sure about it .. cause the money is in my pocket...
i earn it...
I will just tell them okie den why not tonight the dinner and entertainment is on them...Since they earn so much and jolly well want us to join them.. Prove us that they can afford to treat us
I do this to even my best friends...
But normally they will give excuses not to go one lah....Or to postpone....
Take care...
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Have u paid? if not just say u changed ya mind. if u paid.. better try to get back.. those products are useless.. not worth any $$Originally posted by sampanboi:Hi all, i wish i have stumbled upon this website be4 going down to NTIparis...
recently a friend of mine invited me down saying she got a "business proposal" so i just agreed to it since i was quite free on tht day.
After abt 5 hrs, it was 11+at night , i was tired and hungry (missed my dinner), and the "manager" was still trying to convince me. i tried telling them tht i will go home and consider, but they keep on trying to convince them. After awhile, blinded by the promise of "big money" and "business opportunity" i finally agreed and signed up as a "silver merchant" which requires me to pay $1600++
the next morning, i regretted my decision and tried called the manager, and we agreed to meet on later date to discuss abt my refund
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Wilson pls dun spoil the industry with NTI....... Thanks. Network Marketing is not forcing your friends to take out their hardearn money to invest and pushing them to further harm others, lastly it will not teach their ppl to kneel down on the street to beg for sales. if by doing this then what my friend so call is successful, then i rather be a failure in life.
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I cannot imagine that my son is kneeling down before my own brothers to ask for support which he did not even know abt the product benefits which he claim to know.