NTIparis = fraud+scam, run as far as you can when heard
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and i wan to see u cause i wan to see how a bull like u look like?Originally posted by laurence82:ok now i couldnt help laffing...
why u want to see me if u think i am talking bulls here?
irony isnt it? such forums actually do help make aware scams like nti, and its been successful to the point prospects have been warned abt sgforums the minute they step into the building..
better yet, many came in here, some of them who felt cheated after spending sometime in there, to feed more damning info to the public...
u can go on and on, with ur emotional rhetoric abt bravery, courage yada yada...
after spending more than a year here, i'll tell ya, i dont give a shiat....
if u not give a shit? pls use more aggre word. maybe u should learn for Xcrosser. -
Originally posted by samlor2003:and i wan to see u cause i wan to see how a bull like u look like?
if u not give a shit? pls use more aggre word. maybe u should learn for Xcrosser.
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Hi all,
Beware of a new coy called CosLab. They are cheaters as well. The top guys (Steve & Kelvin) are from NOP as well. Even the management level are from NOP. THEY ARE OUT TO CHEAT PEOPLE AGAIN. -
Hi all,
Beware of a new coy called CosLab. They are cheaters as well. The top guys (Steve & Kelvin) are from NOP as well. Even the management level are from NOP. THEY ARE OUT TO CHEAT PEOPLE AGAIN.
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yeah...of cos u CAN earn money, given that u r a "FANTASTIC NOT-CONMAN" or/and "ETHICAL" person.Personally, i have been nti and had been a prey of them.Unfortunately,i am not a victim. I have gone through their so-called training in how to make appointments.Definitely i would love to share my experience and hope that no more people will fall into their trap for people who r ignorant or needs more info.On the flip side, those who still believe in nti or wadsoever, go ahead please, i aint stopping u.Originally posted by aRcTiC_sTaR:Ya loh if you think that it's illegal then call the police. To the people who feel cheated: Firstly, you don't understand the concept fully, that's why you feel cheated. You CAN earn money from NTIParis, it's only when you're unable to get anyone to join, you don't earn anything. That's why you feel cheated.
If NTIParis is really a scam, it would have been deemed illegal and would have been shut down already.
hope dat it may be of some use to u:
(extract from nti agent)
Rules of making an appointment :
1. use the phone (make calls lar...sounds familiar?telephone operator aka the starhub salesman!!wahahaha)
2. K.I.S.S(keep it short and simple--dun disclose too much,keep it SECRETIVE)
3. 2 choose 1 ( let ya victim choose between 2 days. i.e he will be forced subconsiously to make a choice and promise u to meet u o either of 2 days)
4. Confirm of place,time (be firm,professional)
5.Inform upline for presentation ( so that your CONCERNED manager will be ever-ready n appear and boasts to u how much he has earned. *i wonder nti has a script for them n do they practise in front of the mirror? *
6.Resons of Failure:
-leak of content ( tell u to be secretive wad...we not supposed to tell them we gonna kidnap their $ u still say!! )
-desperate implore ( please la....meet me le....we go for coffee lar...really...i treat u to the best satay dere ok? although we live in e west. we still meet in the central ok? )
-using mealtimes as an excuse (we are going to have lunch ONLY, since when the company popped out as our final destination? )
-invitation of too many people ( aka "san ge chou bi jiang ding ge zhuge liang" because negative influence is highly contagious.Hence Dr Nti suggests that we will attend to one patient at one time such that they will receive the Prince Charles/Princess Diana treatment)
When i was there, the manager brought me for a tour, with people greetings " Mr XXXXX" (kinda impressed) , later showed me a biz plan of how will my life change with and without NTI.And then...showed me his account of "earnings" n the cctv(wow~~ FBI ah?) , however i still smiled n continued to act blur.Actually all along, i just sounded interested thats all, because i just wanna observe how people lie through their n how. i am just curious thats all and all the people are SO friendly to u, and even volunteered to take care of u and such...AM I IN HEAVEN?? (yes,but only for now my dear) In fact , i barely knew the person, that is only 1 day/24 hrs, n for the people there ,needless to say, u do the maths. For a person u barely know, they treat u like a goddess/jesus.IRONIC isnt it?
ANOTHER DIMENSION, lets say u r going to Ernst n Young for an interview.Will the people there smile at u n greet u like a VIP?will they show u their humble cctv? will they show u their accounts of earnings?or even show u around the company,telling u wad are their latest technology n et cetera, yup,unless u r mr lee kuan yew or VIP.
ZIP back to NTI : Personally,whether is a pyramid system or binary or wadever u call it, the Bottomline is u r a CHEAT. Now the plan is, you give me $$(say 288 x 4) which will cr8 4 accounts for u to recruit people. { Y 4 accounts? so that u can "cheat" different groups of people aka human discrimination } .Alrighty, u r given the licence of NTI to "extort" money from the innocence/potential prey. u ll first tell them u r recruiting but not selling.however,they will be paying all the money for the 10cents worth product.For every 288 u pay,product worth is say,50 bucks? the remaining ll go to the pockets of ur ever respected DOCTOR j.phang.In addition, those products are TOTALLY WORTHLESS.288 for that skincare?might as well buy christian dior or consult dermatologist. Whose product will u trust? unknown costmetics frm paris or Harvard School of Medicine?i shall not elaborate on others, m sure u guys know it all. the money from mlm is that, sell that worthless product at a outrageous price n dats where ya cash inflow bursts.Basically is just "inviting" more people to "donate" money n buy worthless products n hence the vicious cycle continues.minus the maintainencen puny% of money u earned frm every deal? how many people haf actually earned back?time n effort to earned back wad they haf "donated" ? isnt it absurd? if u haf 4 frens who wanna invest ,might as well rent a shop n chicken rice or chap chai perng,isnt dere a higher chance of earning it back faster? for those in mlm, how many people dare to admit in front of people the know they r in this line?i m not in this biz,of cos i dun noe as much as them,they knew much beta,so much more.However, deep inside them,m sure conscious must be pricking them some time of a day or maybe they were consumed by greed.
If NTI is so fantastic, y aint the agent family members involved? you fu tong xiang rite? frenship? till den...most people will still treasure their kinship no matter wad. which means...if is really good, they will invite their family to the stay in the money tree making machine. In addition, they can extend their target out to people who can readily afford it, for instance...YOUR university professor, jc lecturers n etc ( of cos we r talking abt the more ethical/prof ppl )
However, if our god of singapore, SM Mr Lee Kuan Yew ,promotes NTI..means GOOD! JOIN!!! wahahaahha
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all above are just my 2 cents worth of information, i never meant to harm anyone or create a conflict. i shall not hold responsibility for any information similar to mine . thanks!!!!
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Yap!!!!!!! This is what happened in Cos Lab as well. They are all CHEATERS!!!!!Originally posted by midgar:yeah...of cos u CAN earn money, given that u r a "FANTASTIC NOT-CONMAN" or/and "ETHICAL" person.Personally, i have been nti and had been a prey of them.Unfortunately,i am not a victim. I have gone through their so-called training in how to make appointments.Definitely i would love to share my experience and hope that no more people will fall into their trap for people who r ignorant or needs more info.On the flip side, those who still believe in nti or wadsoever, go ahead please, i aint stopping u.
hope dat it may be of some use to u:
(extract from nti agent)
Rules of making an appointment :
1. use the phone (make calls lar...sounds familiar?telephone operator aka the starhub salesman!!wahahaha)
2. K.I.S.S(keep it short and simple--dun disclose too much,keep it SECRETIVE)
3. 2 choose 1 ( let ya victim choose between 2 days. i.e he will be forced subconsiously to make a choice and promise u to meet u o either of 2 days)
4. Confirm of place,time (be firm,professional)
5.Inform upline for presentation ( so that your CONCERNED manager will be ever-ready n appear and boasts to u how much he has earned. *i wonder nti has a script for them n do they practise in front of the mirror? *
6.Resons of Failure:
-leak of content ( tell u to be secretive wad...we not supposed to tell them we gonna kidnap their $ u still say!! )
-desperate implore ( please la....meet me le....we go for coffee lar...really...i treat u to the best satay dere ok? although we live in e west. we still meet in the central ok? )
-using mealtimes as an excuse (we are going to have lunch ONLY, since when the company popped out as our final destination? )
-invitation of too many people ( aka "san ge chou bi jiang ding ge zhuge liang" because negative influence is highly contagious.Hence Dr Nti suggests that we will attend to one patient at one time such that they will receive the Prince Charles/Princess Diana treatment)
When i was there, the manager brought me for a tour, with people greetings " Mr XXXXX" (kinda impressed) , later showed me a biz plan of how will my life change with and without NTI.And then...showed me his account of "earnings" n the cctv(wow~~ FBI ah?) , however i still smiled n continued to act blur.Actually all along, i just sounded interested thats all, because i just wanna observe how people lie through their n how. i am just curious thats all and all the people are SO friendly to u, and even volunteered to take care of u and such...AM I IN HEAVEN?? (yes,but only for now my dear) In fact , i barely knew the person, that is only 1 day/24 hrs, n for the people there ,needless to say, u do the maths. For a person u barely know, they treat u like a goddess/jesus.IRONIC isnt it?
ANOTHER DIMENSION, lets say u r going to Ernst n Young for an interview.Will the people there smile at u n greet u like a VIP?will they show u their humble cctv? will they show u their accounts of earnings?or even show u around the company,telling u wad are their latest technology n et cetera, yup,unless u r mr lee kuan yew or VIP.
ZIP back to NTI : Personally,whether is a pyramid system or binary or wadever u call it, the Bottomline is u r a CHEAT. Now the plan is, you give me $$(say 288 x 4) which will cr8 4 accounts for u to recruit people. { Y 4 accounts? so that u can "cheat" different groups of people aka human discrimination } .Alrighty, u r given the licence of NTI to "extort" money from the innocence/potential prey. u ll first tell them u r recruiting but not selling.however,they will be paying all the money for the 10cents worth product.For every 288 u pay,product worth is say,50 bucks? the remaining ll go to the pockets of ur ever respected DOCTOR j.phang.In addition, those products are TOTALLY WORTHLESS.288 for that skincare?might as well buy christian dior or consult dermatologist. Whose product will u trust? unknown costmetics frm paris or Harvard School of Medicine?i shall not elaborate on others, m sure u guys know it all. the money from mlm is that, sell that worthless product at a outrageous price n dats where ya cash inflow bursts.Basically is just "inviting" more people to "donate" money n buy worthless products n hence the vicious cycle continues.minus the maintainencen puny% of money u earned frm every deal? how many people haf actually earned back?time n effort to earned back wad they haf "donated" ? isnt it absurd? if u haf 4 frens who wanna invest ,might as well rent a shop n chicken rice or chap chai perng,isnt dere a higher chance of earning it back faster? for those in mlm, how many people dare to admit in front of people the know they r in this line?i m not in this biz,of cos i dun noe as much as them,they knew much beta,so much more.However, deep inside them,m sure conscious must be pricking them some time of a day or maybe they were consumed by greed.
If NTI is so fantastic, y aint the agent family members involved? you fu tong xiang rite? frenship? till den...most people will still treasure their kinship no matter wad. which means...if is really good, they will invite their family to the stay in the money tree making machine. In addition, they can extend their target out to people who can readily afford it, for instance...YOUR university professor, jc lecturers n etc ( of cos we r talking abt the more ethical/prof ppl )
However, if our god of singapore, SM Mr Lee Kuan Yew ,promotes NTI..means GOOD! JOIN!!! wahahaahha
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all above are just my 2 cents worth of information, i never meant to harm anyone or create a conflict. i shall not hold responsibility for any information similar to mine . thanks!!!! -
midgar !! Another victim again !!
All the so call top guys over there , all r cheater. cant earn much , all the RSD behave like beng , no standard .
poor nti . i felt sorry for those youngster when got cheated , and felt sad
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Who are the ones in NTIparis making money?
Needless to say, of course are those who sit at the top of the pyramid head.
This incorrigible coy is have some new s h i t plan, which will make james phuang become richer and the below poorer! They are increasing the amount to join this stupid coy, and decreasing the payout. You will feel wtf.
None of those members are real, all is hyporcite, if you have any friends from NTIparis, end it. Not only they will cheat you, they will also be a liability for you! Every month they will have to give maintainence without earning a single cant(kinda idiotic or something), and that period they have to be so stingy and poor that you cannot bear with it. Maybe for a couple of months or so is okay, but listen up, it will be long term!
NTIparis can no longer be trusted or make money, because those pyramid heads is nailed onto their seats to cheat kids, they will never give up their seats so don't dreams to become on of those unethical scum ass! Their membership fee is increasing, as well as maintainence, however their personality is decreasing. They like to cheat on themselves, think alot, but not work alot. Idling in the coy like some rich kids, but they can't even feed on themselve.
You wont see anyone defending for NTIparis here, never, because NTIparis have disgrace the entire MLM companies. Furthermore, they are so shameless that they don't regard sgforums.com as a matter, they say they love to be condemn and never condemn people, this is a fact. They have no evidence to defend themselves.
TO ALL NTIparis MEMBERS:
Entering this coy will never have good endings, trust me
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nay...din pay them a single cent. i wasted my $$ on transport, i mean they cheated on my transport money + time. i have a fren,he was my fren, yeah e manager who told me hes earning loads, i guessed so abt 2k. but they were the pioneers,juz dun wanna be banished so early. i guess is just not me, imagine tellg ya pal sucha lie n conned him all his current savings for ya own satisafaction,only to use it for ya self-graticification n pleasure.boy ...that dun feel good. maybe they shall all be converted to christians n confess once a week/month to clear their weekly/monthly sins. ( i wonder wad will god think? )Originally posted by mlm:midgar !! Another victim again !!
All the so call top guys over there , all r cheater. cant earn much , all the RSD behave like beng , no standard .
poor nti . i felt sorry for those youngster when got cheated , and felt sad for those who still in nti working and thought they can success. -
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Wow this coy is coming up with new plans...
And this new plan sure benefits those jerks on the top...
Account and maintainence fee have tremendously increased!!! It makes having a account in NTIparis simply a liabilty instead of asset. Really, not worth it.
People are getting more and more intolerant with the nonsenses NTIparis does, major decline of people joining this coy, therefore they increase the maintainence to make sure they are able to continue paying the instalment of their BMW.
Stupid and selfless thinking will lead to end of NTIparis... Cheers!
***Judgement day is to punish sinners, good friday is to punish Jesus, Monday to Sunday is to punish NTIparis idlers*** -
sorry, they are not driving BMW. the only car they driving is a MIT Lancer. so, the money actually goes to their JAMES PHANG. everyone in the company is simpy just a pawn in a chess game.
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Wow lau !!
With all these comments, I am now worried. My neice is in there. My sis told me that actually there are two groups of them. One selling crystal the other one don't know what.. My neice broke off with his boy friend when he asked her, you want to go NTI Paris or you want to break off... She choose NTI.... I guess she zong tu tai shen already ... any suggestion what to do ??? -
You have come the right place then.
Try to physco and brainwash your sister like those idiotic agents does, your sister now only looking at one side of the coin, neutralise her. I know she won't be looking up this forums and will not believe what you says, but try your best.
Basically, you can ask her small questions like: how much you earn already ar? Those people above you who likes to talk earn alot already ar? Ai, look at the those people at the top, is they earning alot of money? They join one so long already leh, only earn such money nia ar? Huh? Only one person can afford a car ar, and is second hand some more wor? Aiya, even next time you earn big bucks, won't you feel guilty meh? Taking money from people who are poor and are looking for a decent job, still human anot sia?
Try to do something like this everyday, keep telling her negative thoughts, but i expect her uplines will physco her even stronger, do not let her go company everyday if possible.
Go read other forums about NTIparis and use those evidence to convinced her... Good Luck!
***NTIparis never provide a earning opportunites for others, they will only dig you deeper.*** -
I think you physco may work.. But my sister very stubborn. However, it is worth a try lor .... Thanks ...Originally posted by AvengingAngel:You have come the right place then.
Try to physco and brainwash your sister like those idiotic agents does, your sister now only looking at one side of the coin, neutralise her. I know she won't be looking up this forums and will not believe what you says, but try your best.
Basically, you can ask her small questions like: how much you earn already ar? Those people above you who likes to talk earn alot already ar? Ai, look at the those people at the top, is they earning alot of money? They join one so long already leh, only earn such money nia ar? Huh? Only one person can afford a car ar, and is second hand some more wor? Aiya, even next time you earn big bucks, won't you feel guilty meh? Taking money from people who are poor and are looking for a decent job, still human anot sia?
Try to do something like this everyday, keep telling her negative thoughts, but i expect her uplines will physco her even stronger, do not let her go company everyday if possible.
Go read other forums about NTIparis and use those evidence to convinced her... Good Luck!
***NTIparis never provide a earning opportunites for others, they will only dig you deeper.***
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Hi,
A little bit here and there would add up to quite a fair amount. Look at the link below. Worth considering:
http://paymewell.freestoreclub.com/A_Home.asp?UserName=PayMeWell
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to mi i find it workerable... if it is cheater... it will definately close down ...
come on lah.... if it is u that cannot earn it does not mean other cannot... tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
hope no offend to u all... i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
it really depend on urself.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,, -
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rigamist
maybe u can ask ya sis hw much her bf love her where her worth seems lower or maybe insignificant to NTI. in fact ,if he really loves her,he wun force her to do wad she dislike,to a certain extent, (excluding illegal stuff n welfare like smoking etc). or maybe she love e bf too much also cant help it...juz tell her to keep her $ well. as long as shes happy,all's worth it i guess~~ -
a very philosophical answer.....Originally posted by -Wilson-: hmm
to mi i find it workerable... if it is cheater... it will definately close down ...
come on lah.... if it is u that cannot earn it does not mean other cannot... tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
hope no offend to u all... i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
it really depend on urself.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,, -
-Wilson-
This is to f u c king warn ignorant s h i t s like you.
If really can earn why only that Jacky afford a car only? I did say cannot earn, and even can earn like what you say, is definately lesser than normal working enviroment.tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
Sorry frankly speaking typing here does not show how much u earned. I can say i earn 2 million in amway already, u may say evidence. Exactly what I will say back to you. Imagine a real successful people who have earned REAL money will bark at here like you or me?hope no offend to u all... i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
You flame it up and say no offence? Why don't I kill your parents and say "No offence thru, bro." You can't compare sony with NTIparis, it is a real great insult to sony company. Besides when you buy sony products, you pay for it willingly and on air or advertisement, sony have proven itself's trustworthy. Totally different from NTIparis, before you join, i bet you have been heavily brainwash, I dont blame you, because you are young and they are trained scum to do such physcoing. A bunch of pest will infest you and slowly devoured you. Come on wake up.it really depend on urself.
In human's eyes no one treat it as a job before, moreover many s h i t s over there said it is a business not a job. But today, sorry, job we NEED NOT pay any amount of sum to the coy and for business or investing, we pay, but will have returns unlike there.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,,
Think about it yourself... Did your upline keep pestering you to open new accounts? Because NTIparis totally lost their trust and waving white flags already. Those tops just want to eat finish all ignorant b a s t a r d s money before NTIparis collasped.
***NTIparis cheat fools and theselves, they not only harm those fools like you, they are also harming themselves*** -
boy, i suggest to go around asking people around the age of 30s to 50s... ask them whether they know JAMES PHANG and NOP. i believe they can tell you alot of their testimonials with JAMES PHANG and NOP.Originally posted by -Wilson-: hmm
to mi i find it workerable... if it is cheater... it will definately close down ...
come on lah.... if it is u that cannot earn it does not mean other cannot... tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
hope no offend to u all... i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
it really depend on urself.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,, -
He is too young to accept reality, because all his money is cheated and keep lying to himself. Sooner or later when he become the real part of them. He is beyond help already..
God bless him
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nti agents can flame me all they want, but fact is fact, that many ex-agents and victims are being assisted to get their refunds back....
you can sit here and start blaming others for your losses, at the end of the day, this world is that cruel, businessmen wil still look more at fat profits than welfare of employees or distributors, attach too much emotional links to nti, and you find yourself in a total emotional wreck at the end of the day.... -
network mktg? oh thk u 4got smthg 'unethical' netwk mktg, haf u ever wondered y u want u want ya frens to join.u really 1 dem to succeed?maybe but u gotta be success first rite? so e only way is to rope in more ppl. e process is u desperately recruiting ppl in while all e cash goes to u-noe-where n james.p ll be busy using his gold card to buy all e luxury while yawning away. u work so hard yet get so little n others is reaping ya harvest...worth it or not.....n smmore ya closed 1's r sacrifices..Originally posted by -Wilson-: hmm
to mi i find it workerable... if it is cheater... it will definately close down ...
come on lah.... if it is u that cannot earn it does not mean other cannot... tell mi where there is people earing so much in side.... i am one of them
hope no offend to u all...
of course is workable. how many innoceny people are being cheated of their money and how much did james.p cheated out of it. say 80%. every1 open least 3 accts, 0.8 * 900(approx) * no. of victims = ___do e maths. he will have more than enough to sustain e coy , is he losing money? nop, it is you guys. the ppl who r tryg hard to recoup their losses by 'pestering' n 'luring' friends n so in. thats what sustain e biz n why you SEE it as workable. is just using basic common sense, u thought u r investing in a biz n now tryg hard to recoup it.but never wonder why you r placing ya trust funds there in e very 1st place? cos ya fren say so? so u scared 'paiseh' ? y not pool 10 ten ppl n set up a biz, u can only den see e money. if u wanna earn, be e ceo. earning so much? did u see them w e $? or maybe is only ppl at top. wan faster results go play shares beta la...do ya hmwork n get instant results. u wun be losing90%. least u do earn. in nti, god knows when.
i jus wish to say if a sony disceman is spoil jus suay that that batch got lot of problem can u say sony sux???
it really depend on urself.
i can say u dun suit network marketing...
different people suit different job...
it up to u to see,,,, -
Thanks for talking about the ethics.
For those agents, whenever their downlines earns and they don't earn, infront of their downlines, they will feign happy and behind their downline back, they will curse and swear and hold a grude. How hyprocrite can they get? And, they will present badly in case new prospect is brought from their downline. How childish they be? Some young gina talking about business, ha!
***NTIparis talk about the lastest business trend wor, wha! Let's go and mock them!***