totally agreed man!Originally posted by Flight Cadet Officer:Some form of authorisation is possible. However the risk of someone charging into a bank at pointblank range to a man's head. Would you take the risk of believing its a fake ? Many times I answer this question with another question, "How is it possible genuine guns can be smuggled into Singapore"
Problem with airsoft is that it is possible for you to modify into a real gun. Requires alot of work. However possible. Therefore the govt. govt have no gurantees that by legalising airsoft.
Not to mention, with the age limit imposed. I still find 30 year old mature adults using their pets as moving targets.
Personally I love airsoft alot. But because of these minor population who decides to do funny things with it makes it impossible for such products to be legalised.
well, thats ok - i dont agree with it, but if that was it takes to get to play this normally in singapore then i'd comply with it.Originally posted by Flight Cadet Officer:Some form of authorisation is possible.
However the risk of someone charging into a bank at pointblank range to a man's head. Would you take the risk of believing its a fake ?Would you, the police officer or whatever, take the possibility its not real? no, of course not. that criminal has taken to gamble their lives if they do that. And in that situation, when it comes to threatening someone elses life, regardless of whether you use a real gun, a fake gun [airsoft or otherwise], or a banana-in-a-bag, you deserve all that you get - be it maiming or death.
Many times I answer this question with another question, "How is it possible genuine guns can be smuggled into Singapore"thats for your internal security and customs people to find out. it has nothing to do with whether to legalise airsoft in singapore or not. And with criminals - why should they care about what laws you have anyway? they'll just keep on using whatever theyre using now.
Problem with airsoft is that it is possible for you to modify into a real gun. Requires alot of work. However possible.like i said. Utter BS. sort out your facts will you? Go ask some people who really know about airsoft then. Come back and back up your argument.
Therefore the govt. govt have no gurantees that by legalising airsoft.that by legalising airsoft.. what? i think you forgot to finish your sentence.
Not to mention, with the age limit imposed. I still find 30 year old mature adults using their pets as moving targets.Registration, as you suggested, should weed out some of these.
Personally I love airsoft alot. But because of these minor population who decides to do funny things with it makes it impossible for such products to be legalised.Then why not ban cars, people use them irresponsibly, motorbikes, cellphones for that matter... theres always going to be a small group of idiots somewhere in each society. Are you going to wrap yourself up in cotton wool because of it? Are you going to deny to others [who would be responsible] this otherwise harmless sport and hobby because of a few uselss individuals who'd be doing that sort of damage in another way regardless?
well it really depends, the mechanism inside, trigger group configuration etc. some parts can be moulded.Originally posted by zoik:so where do you play airsoft then FCO?
only when youre abroad?
you say youre a supporter of airsoft, yet you havent really argued in supoprt of it, have you?
As for shotgun, he brought up the one single possibilty of airsoft-induced damage [other than bludgeoning you to death with it..]..
i'm on a permanent chill pill thanks.
ps. are you still thinking that airsoft can be modified into a live firearm then?
well here its going into 'make your own gun' territory and stops being airsoft, doesnt it? i mean, anyone, with any modicum of knowledge can build their own gun in that way. buidling it and replacing parts of an airsoft gun fast becomes pointless...Originally posted by Flight Cadet Officer:well it really depends, the mechanism inside, trigger group configuration etc. some parts can be moulded.
You should check the other forum. Some people in there doesn't even know the difference between airsoft and airgun!yeah, i've come across that before - the press are quite bad about it too [they arent even interested in reporting the truth anyway]. 'BB' is also misleading cos BB has a different meaning in japan, whereas eleswhere its generally known as Ball Bearing, which, based on its American origin, is usually a metal [lead] shaped projectile that is pretty lethal. Still, people keep referring ot them as BB guns and so people keep thinking theyre firing metal bullets and so they get mixed up with air guns [which i think are useless anyway - a lot of the IPSC community [uk at least] think so too, and so when GBB and NBB pistols came up for competition they went for that instead..]
some people doesn't know that airsoft was firstly created in asia and not america. I quit arguing with them, cause they kept on repeating their statementthis'll be the confusion with the BB description again which leads to the american Daisy BB guns that came out over 50 years ago.
so their lethality is not in question? A common argument against airsoft [certainly one with regards to singapore authorities i've heard before] is that Airsoft is more lethal [because the balls are smaller???? ffs]...Originally posted by Shotgun:Paintball guns are less commonly available, that one reason it doesn't really need to be banned. Of course, they are also a bit more expensive.
Anyway, a normal Airsoft gun can be used as a paintball gun anytime. Just buy a 6mm BB Paintround. Never got any of those personally, was wondering what would happen if the damn thing shatters inside my guns. [quote] i think i covered this already. you can, but prepare for a wrecked gun. the 6mm paintballs are often known for exploding inside the gun when being launched, messing everythnig up internally - this is mostly because the skin of these is fairly weak. so if you want to try it, do it on some $10 throwaway springer [cos thats what you'll be doing afterwards, throwing it away...].There was an incident in japan where some kids decided to take on the police and shot their aeg's at them...
[quote]Oh did I mention that airsoft guns with red paintballs can be quite scary? You see this guy pull out a gun at you, fire and u hear a little *PUCK* sound, and u see what you think is "blood" all over your shirt. There was a case of such incidence in the US, a bunch of kids running around with an AEG n red paint BBs, doing drive by shootings. Some of the people actually went into shock after getting shot, even though they did not take any real damage. (Other than the laundry bills) Unfortunately for the kids, the cops caught them, and had the evidence too. They had taped their own shootings down on a camcorder.
The thing is, at night, you can't see very clearly whether the weapon is real or not. Even with red barrel tips. And I understand that. Which is why i feel that educating people, and correcting them on proper airsoft usage is more important.education - sure thing. where do you start? you could start with educating the authorities first...
In any case. If some guy points a "gun" to your head, or at your back, you probably won't see if its real or not. It can be a real pistol, or it can be an airsoft pistol. Or it can be one of those bright yellow water squirting pistols painted black, or just a banana. Chances are, you don't want to find out the hard way. So if the govt allows airsoft, would there be a surge in these supposed armed robberies? Would there really be people robbing banks with airsoft guns?whats to say that isnt happening right now? look at your existing gun clubs - is their existence posing an increased risk of bank robbery, muggings and general gun-related crime? you tell me...
Question is, if you are a robber, would u dare to rob a bank with guards armed with real 9mm pistols, with just a 6mm Peashooter?Stupid question that shouldnt be entertained.
Would you threaten someone with a Airsoft gun, rather than a knife to rob him?
thats a good one. In fact the orange tip is enforced by law. Moral of the story. An everday item can be a weapon if you want them to be and causes greater damage than airsoft. why go through the pain of buying an airsoft when greater pain can be inflicted for free ?. plus it isn't the general idea of an airsoft.Originally posted by Shotgun:Those $10 Throw-away guns aren't worth $10. I got a whole bag of them, sitting there collecting dust, waiting to be thrown away.... Literally. I estimate it cost only about $1.00 a pc.
Anyway, given the authorities stubborness about airsoft, I also can't really give a hoot to them.
As long as someone don't flash them in public. Don't shoot at anything other than target boards, and not harass neighbours with them, I doubt anybody has a problem with airsoft.
What I want to tell people about airsoft is that.
-Airsoft wounds are NOT deadly.
-Yes they do hurt and bruise.
-Shooting at someone's eyes CAN cause blindness, (like poking someone's eye with a pencil)
-They fire plastic ball rounds, not METALLIC.
-They LOOK real, but legislation can enforce red-non-removable barrel tips.
-Keep kids away from it, unless under close adult supervision.
Finally, If i want to rob a bank. I'd rather duct tape 2 coke cans together, add a bit of wirings and a nice LCD screen displaying digits, and go "This is a bomb. Hand over the money or I will not disarm it. You have 90secs."